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BlackCat
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 Fri Feb 22nd, 2008 02:14 pm
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Hello all,

Hope one of you is able to guide me. 

I was recently asked to bid on a job to recondition the lead and replace a few broken panes on some very very simple windows.  What I didn’t learn until I arrived at the site was that the home was historic…1600’s historic!  Apparently though, the home had been restored (to what extent no one knows) in 1910.

In examining the windows I saw that the lead looked pretty great, except for a few poorly done in place repairs with float glass.  But it wasn’t until I went in side the home that I was caught off guard.  WOODEN SUPPORT BARS! 

Have any of you ever seen this?  Each window, was held to a horizontal support bar with a strip of what had been semi round ¼” H (the heart had been removed and the strip used in place of wire).

So here’s the second part of my question, if you have seen this before do you suppose it’s original i.e a 1600’s hold over, or part of the 1900’s rehabilitation? 

Thank you all
C~
 

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I have seen wooden support bars before used on leaded glass windows in old homes. However the ones I have seen have always been round "dowels" with the ends tapered engaging the frame, and always with lead strips twisted around them, rather than copper wires. They probably are original and if not, whom ever repaired the windows in the past had the good mind set and responsibility to reintroduce original materials and techniques.

Roberto
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Thank you so much!!!

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In the early 1980’s. a client asked me to make several diamond lite leaded windows based on a drawing from Fredrick Kelly’s 1924 book “The Early Domestic Architecture of Connecticut”.

 

The drawing shows wooden rebars, square in section with rounded ends let into the frame. The wood has the corner of the square against the window surface for maximum strength. Oddly, I don’t remember how the window is tied to the bars and I can’t go look at the book right now….

My client was an accomplished cabinet maker who made the frames and bars himself from oak, I believe.

 

Here’s a link to reprints of this book on Amazon:

 

http://www.amazon.com/Early-Domestic-Architecture-Connecticut/dp/0764326643/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1203776493&sr=8-1

 

and, more cheaply, eBay:

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/Early-Domestic-Architecture-Of-Connecticut-Kelley-1963_W0QQitemZ230223767899QQihZ013QQcategoryZ29223QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140209220314&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:middle:us

 

It’s a good book and a wonderful resource.

- Tod

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Todd ,

Thank You so much...I just visted Ebay and hope to be owning that book soon!

C~

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 Posted: Sat Feb 23rd, 2008 03:30 pm
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Black Cat:

You're welcome. It's good documentation that somebody 'way back when really did make windows with wooden bars. It also has drawings of doorway sets and lots of woodwork.

When I first read your question, the photo was not available to me - not sure why. When I posted my reply, I got to see the pic - cool enough!

Good luck with the project - keep the wood clean when soldering the ties!

- Tod


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