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Rona
Non AGG Members
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Fri Mar 7th, 2008 03:28 pm |
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The same image was used in a mass-produced greetings card.
I know this adds nothing to the question in hand, I just thought it was interesting!
http://saints.sqpn.com/stp12002.jpg
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Courage
AGG member
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Posted: Fri Mar 7th, 2008 03:43 pm |
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| Hi there, I checked out your pictures and then did a little checking in our studio files. Holy Trinity, in the By-water area, had an entire church filled with French windows. These windows were removed and then later installed into a new church. I worked on both projects. The paint was lifting in numerous areas and looked a similar style to your medallions. Perhaps the medallions were painted in France and shipped in to America. The french often painted their faces onto clear plate glass. Perhaps this is a clue. Charles Granges Stained Glass studio of Clermont France was active before the turn of the century. Due to the high tariff imposed on leaded glass it was common to import the painted glass disassembled to avoid the high leaded glass tariff, then the american studios would assemble the panels. Therefore, the American background glass. Thanks for sharing, Cindy
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mmezalick
AGG member
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Sun Mar 9th, 2008 01:14 pm |
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So here is another use of the image.
The picture is from the Daughters of St. Paul, taken around 1922.
Michael
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druffe
AGG member
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Posted: Mon Mar 10th, 2008 12:01 am |
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Michael,
Amazing! The likeness does prove the artists were very good at what they do, but is it a problem they all look the same? I don' t think in this day and age we could get away with that. Anyone know when copyright laws came into effect?
By the way, I just want to thank everyone for all their help. I will keep you all posted. This is a great example of the AGG community's wealth of info and willingness to help!
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Krueger
Director
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Mon Mar 10th, 2008 06:18 pm |
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Rona wrote: The same image was used in a mass-produced greetings card.
I know this adds nothing to the question in hand, I just thought it was interesting!
http://saints.sqpn.com/stp12002.jpg
Hello Rona, Is the name of the artist, or the publisher of that card still readable? Thanks.
Barbara in Michigan
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Krueger
Director
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Posted: Mon Mar 10th, 2008 06:21 pm |
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mmezalick wrote: So here is another use of the image.
The picture is from the Daughters of St. Paul, taken around 1922.
Michael
MIchael, where did you find this photo? on line, in a book? Thanks.
Barbara Krueger
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mmezalick
AGG member
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Mon Mar 10th, 2008 06:39 pm |
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I found it online. there are several sites with the same picture.
http://www.pauline.com.au/story/index.htm
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Krueger
Director
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Posted: Mon Mar 10th, 2008 07:32 pm |
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Looks likes this particular painting was/is in Australia....interesting.
Barbara
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mmezalick
AGG member
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Mon Mar 10th, 2008 08:11 pm |
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Barbara,
How did you come to the conclusion that the picture was/is from Australia?
I think the photo was taken in Italy. As I had said, that picture is on several of the Pauline websites.
Here is another site that has the picture. (It's about half way down the page.)
This one is from Singapore
http://www.paulines.org.sg/aboutus04.html
Here is some information from the history of the " Daughters"
In December 1918, James Alberione, the founder of the order, first “daughters” left for Susa, where the work they initiated forms part of the courageous story of faith and enterprise that gave rise to what came to be called the “Pauline” lifestyle.
Also about Australia;
The Daughters of St Paul established their first house in Sydney on 13 May, 1955.
I wonder if I had posted the picture from the other website would you have thought the picture was Singaporean?
Michael
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Krueger
Director
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Posted: Mon Mar 10th, 2008 08:14 pm |
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http://www.pauline.com.au/story/index.htm
Well, the .au tells me the web site is from Australia, and when I went to it, the site was a history of the Sister of Pauline....in Australia.
Barbara
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Krueger
Director
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Mon Mar 10th, 2008 08:16 pm |
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| I mean to say the photograph of the women and the St. Paul painting was taken in Australia, which to me gives more of a British origin the St. Paul painting, than an American origin.
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mmezalick
AGG member
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Posted: Mon Mar 10th, 2008 08:17 pm |
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The picture is on the "Our Story" Page .
I would think it is the story of the entire order.
There is a different picture, more modern, on the "Our Australian Story" page
Michael
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mmezalick
AGG member
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Tue Mar 11th, 2008 04:28 pm |
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Just to add a bit more information, I have found out the following.
The black and white photo that I posted of the nine sisters in front of a drawing of St. Paul was indeed taken in 1922 in Alba Italy.
These were the original nine women that became the Daughters of St. Paul.
The drawing was a common everyday copy of the portrait of St. Paul.
It is believed that this drawing is still at the Italian Generalate offices.
This information was received from Sister Catherine, Mother Superior of the Daughters of St. Paul / North America.
So,
That does not add too much more about the artist of the drawing but it does clarify that the photograph of the Sisters is from Italy.
Anyway,
I have a request for information in at the Italian Generalate about this drawing and I will post it as I find out more.
Michael
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druffe
AGG member
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Posted: Wed May 7th, 2008 02:45 pm |
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To all who were interested in the French passage on the Rose Window in Delaware, I did recieve this information from the priest.
The Oblates of St. Francis de Sales, who first ministered in this parish of St. Paul were founded by Louis Brisson, a priest of Troyes in France, we believe in 1875.
A friend of mine who was a member of the order of St. Francis de Sales said it was not unusual for the superior in France to send a window for churches begun by the Oblates at that time. This could account for the French writing on the window.
Although it has nothing to do with the picture, St. Francis de Sales was ordained the Bishop of Geneva in 1602, but resided in Annecy because Geneva was under Calvinistic control.
This information we found at: http://www.oblates.org/the_oblates/oblate_history.php
Father Pollard
St. Paul's - Delaware City
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