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I am putting it out for your interest and possible help.
Michael Mezalick
Subject: Windows by George Hardy Payne
I was wondering if you could help me out with some information. I am the
President of the board of St. John's United Church of Christ in Schuylkill
Haven, PA. We are currently looking for information concerning our stained
glass windows.
The building was constructed from 1925-1927 and includes an extensive
collection of windows by the George Hardey Payne Studios of Patterson, NJ.
Only 2 of the windows are "pictures", the rest (about 60 in all!) are basic
art deco designs. This is the only information we have. Any information you
could furnish us concerning other examples of their work or about their
studio would be appreciated. If you would like to view them, please visit
our website:
http://www.stjohnsreformed.com and click on the "worship & music" link, then scroll
to the bottom and click on "the windows of St. John's"
Thank you for any input you could provide,
Timothy C. Gipe
President
St. John's United Church of Christ
121 East Main Street
Schuylkill Haven, PA 17972
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17th, 2008 11:40 pm |
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The Payne Studio went through 4 generations before they closed in the 1980's
George Payne I started as a glass painter for Clayton & Bell in London. He immigrated to Montreal and then to Orange, N.J. I recently restored a window he did c.1881 for the Thomas Edison home in West Orange. His son George II took over the business, followed by George Hardy Payne and then by George Leslie Payne. Rohlf Stained Glass bought out the company after George L. died. Payne Studio was the American representative for Wipple Stained Glass in England.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 02:34 pm |
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Vic wrote: The Payne Studio went through 4 generations before they closed in the 1980's
George Payne I started as a glass painter for Clayton & Bell in London. He immigrated to Montreal and then to Orange, N.J. I recently restored a window he did c.1881 for the Thomas Edison home in West Orange. His son George II took over the business, followed by George Hardy Payne and then by George Leslie Payne. Rohlf Stained Glass bought out the company after George L. died. Payne Studio was the American representative for Wipple Stained Glass in England.
Is it known if Wipple Stained Glass signed their own windows? I have seen windows in MI which are signed Payne but I have wondered if they are in fact by Wipple.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 02:48 pm |
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I've seen some here in NJ with a Wipple signature.
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Barbara,
In the past few days I have joined this discussion board and it is interesting to look back at some of the old postings.
I knew George Payne towards the end of his life, I worked for both the Wippell Studio and George Payne.
George L. Payne represented Wippells of Exeter, Devon, UK., for many years and in the process used Wippell designers such as Arthur Erridge, George Cooper Abbs, Frederick Cole and me.
Arthur Erridge initially designed many of the windows for Swannee University of the South, after Erridge's death Fred Cole took over and designed many more, I cartooned two of Fred's windows for this project.
Later after Fred left Wippells he designed more windows for Swannee as a free-lance for George Payne.
George Payne and Wippell discontinued their connection round about 1962/3 and then George employed Fred Cole as a freelance on numerous church windows.
In 1977 I was about to leave Wippells, made contact with George Payne who was agreeable for me to design for him as a free-lance which I did until his death in the early 1980's. His widow continued for about a year and then sold out to Rolf Studios.
One excellent artist who also worked for George Payne was Per Bergathon (I'm not sure if that's the correct spelling)
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25th, 2008 07:29 pm |
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Roy, thanks for your recollections. I printed off your comments and put them in the SGAA Bio book for George Payne. Do you have a list of where the windows went that you worked on? Thanks
Barbara
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Barbara,
I do not have the records of the Payne / Wippell era, as I was an employee, but no doubt Wippells have them on file.
My freelance work for George Payne was approximately 30 years ago and I'm not sure what information I still have in my files, I will look when I can find the time, although I may have disposed of them.
My involvement was design and cartooning, George had the glass cut, painted and leaded in USA.
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Barbara,
I don't recognise any of the photos as being English, some look like Bergathon, especially the Colonial Style designs.
My limited knowledge of George L Payne is only because I was involved with freelance work for him.
I thought Payne Spiers was a different studio but I may be wrong, there may have been a connection at one time. I don't know too much about the history of the Payne studio.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26th, 2008 10:34 pm |
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Roy wrote: Barbara,
I don't recognise any of the photos as being English, some look like Bergathon, especially the Colonial Style designs.
My limited knowledge of George L Payne is only because I was involved with freelance work for him.
I thought Payne Spiers was a different studio but I may be wrong, there may have been a connection at one time. I don't know too much about the history of the Payne studio.
George Spears partnered with George Hardy Payne. George Hardy was doing "Tiffany" style windows. They completed some Tiffany contracts after Tiffany closed
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Vic, I would be interested in knowing the location of church(es) with windows completed by Payne....after the demise of Tiffany Studio, or would you have photos. Thanks. Barbara
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Hi Roy. George Payne Studio, was installing some windows near St Pete-Clearwater in the 1960s-70s. I was visiting in Clearwater & St Petersburg at that time and would like to find the church, as the windows were quite different from those I had seen in other churches. They were made so you could see the glass in front of you, and sides and even above your head. If you were working for his studio, perhaps you designed the windows. My memory is not too good at my age, but I now live in Florida and would like to see those windows again. I talked with some of the workers about the complicated work they were doing and they seemed quite proud of it. I think the installers were from N. Carolina, High Point I think was the town. If you can help me to find the church or even the name, it would help me. Thanks for any or all information you may have. Chas.
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I knew George Hardy Payne's son. He was an excellent salesman, employed
fine artists (Per Bergethon), and imported Wipple windows from England.
Peter Rohlf now owns what remains from his studio and probably has a list
of the churches he did work for in the St.Petersburg area.
Crosby Willet
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Thanks Mr Willet for your quick reply. Woild you please tell me how to cantact Mr Peter Rohlf if you know, or how I might find him? Chas.
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The windows on the St. John's United church, Schuyikill Haven are not Wippell windows.
Wippell never produced opalescent windows or painted highly coloured faces etc., such as shown in the St. John's windows.
Wippell windows were normally signed with their logo which was a wool mark, the firm were originally wool merchants.
The logo is in the form of a cross with a "W" in middle and a hook at the bottom. Usually with the name Wippell and the year the window was made.
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Dear Chas,
Peter Rohlf's studio # is 914 699 4848, his toll free: 800 969 4106 and
fax: 914 699 7091. His e mail: rohlfl@aol.com .
Crosby Willet
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Thank you much-Mr Willet, I will call him today. I am a new member and have had several answers. What a great discussion board we have at our disposal. Hopefully I will in some way help someone myself. Chas.
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Dear Chas,
George Payne and Wippells Studio parted company in the early 1960s.
A very fine artist, Frederick Cole, also decided to leave Wippells and work free-lance, I think in 1962. Payne then made a connection with Cole to design his English type windows.
I worked for the Wippell Studio and did a number of Payne windows in the early 1960s and later as a free-lance again worked for Payne from 1978 until his death in early 1980s.
As Crosby stated Rolf Studios took over Payne's work and Fred Cole continued to work for Rolfe as a free-lance.
If the windows for St. Peters were produced in the seventies it is quite possible they were designed by Fred Cole, although George Payne also used other artists.
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Hi Roy. I thank you for your information. After due diligence, in my mind I am now pretty sure I saw these windows in the 1960s. As you were designing for George at that time, you may have worked on the designs yourself. The glass panels as I remember were installed from floor up, and and even over head to make a glass ceiling of sorts. You mention Fred Cole working at this time, if you know how I can contact him, perhaps he would remember the windows or even worked on them also. I am also sure now, they were not in St. Petersburg as I remember taking a bus to the area from downtown St Pete, which was probably a half hour or less. It is amazing to me to find people from 50 years ago to help me with my search, and especially since I have lived in Florida now for 30 years and have never found the church. The computer age is a great help, so far so good.
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